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Wed, Apr. 30th, 2008, 01:21 am
Lisbon

While I'm getting things out of my system, I'm going to nut the next person who hands me another "informative" pamphlet about the Lisbon treaty that contains absolutely no information whatsoever. Statements without backing aren't information and regardless of how many pictures of Lucinda Creighton smiling in a manner I'm sure she thinks is reassuring (it isn't, she looks like a pasty rapist), it doesn't alter the basic lack of facts provided.
I'm not asking for much, just that you provide me with the passage concerned along with your interpretation of it (or at least the page number) so I can judge for myself. Calling yourself the "Lisbon Treaty Information Campaign" doesn't grant you any weight in the eyes of the "Angry people with an IQ in triple digets committee" neither.

The thing is, as a rule of thumb, Fianna Fail are never in favour of something that'll work out well for me as a middle-income peon with a tendency to yell at people in the street so under that tenuous logic I'd do well to vote no. On the other hand, Fine Gael, who oppose anything Fianna Fail support simply on principle (and this will work against them the minute FF get wise and propose that Fine Gael should totally not disband) seem to be supporting the Lisbon vote so something is terribly wrong OR theres a clause in there that excludes political party members from a hidden "Logan's Run" clause.

The only thing both sides seem to agree on is that moving to Germany wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Wed, Apr. 30th, 2008 07:36 am (UTC)
ulaire_daidoji

SF are the only mainstream party pushing for a 'no' vote. That tells you all you need to know.

Also the next gobshite on the radio who asks for the treaty to put in terms that the man in the street can understand is getting a punch in the mouth. "the man in the street" generally isn't very smart. We don't expect "the man in the street" to understand quantum physics, rocket science (which is actually relatively simple), Jurisprudence and other complex ideas in the law, brain surgery, how to wire a server, how to strip and refit a tractor engine.

so why the Hell do we expect the average man in the street to understand the complexities of a treaty involving 27 countries and all that that must involve? The average man in the street is happy to watch football, soap operas, dancing with the stars and Tubridy tonight. He's not studying Aristotle and political sciences.


Wed, Apr. 30th, 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)
ulaire_daidoji

And then if you just heard the Last word on TodayFM there was someone from Core (whoever they are, sounded like young Christian Right-wing down with liberalism type). The conversation went along these lines:

Core dude "Lisbon will lead to Abortion, hard drugs, prostitution and a federal Europe"

Matt cooper"Where does it say that?"
"in the treaty"
"But where so I can refer to it"
Getting more shrill and crazy "IN the TREATY!"

and so it went with the crazy No dude not basically saying Yes it does yes it does. I'm sorry but playground debating skills just don't cut it for me.

I understand that Irish people are justifiably cynical about our politicians but the bottom line is the No camp are the loonies.

Thu, May. 1st, 2008 06:54 am (UTC)
brucius

I think I am experiencing something akin to life as a mushroom when it comes to the treaty, haven't the foggiest idea about what it is designed to do. I think that giving the highlights to the man on the street in an unbiased fashion would be a good idea. I understand the idea behind rocket science and tractors, I am so very smrt, I mean...

I really must go find some info on that, it's probably fairly important.