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Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006, 10:25 am

Today I am having a powerful strong hope that Mary Harney and Pat Rabbitte die horribly. Rabbitte should go at the paws of a warren of rabid rabbits so that his death can be the only thing thats more of a joke than his political career and it'd be good to end it on a high note of him declaring that Fianna Fail should enter a coalition with Labour. Harney... well its hard to kill someone with as much blood as her by dunking her in a pool of leeches but goddamn if we shouldn't try after her "Dear old people, even though you paid taxes all your life and now need state sponsored care where you can be beaten, robbed and taped to a radiator we now reserve the right to take 80% of your pension and sell your home when you die and take 15%" thing yesterday.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 11:02 am (UTC)


Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 04:08 pm (UTC)

Lets not bring god into this. If he was paying attention then there'd be a morbidly obese pillar of salt sitting in the Dail right now.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 11:15 am (UTC)

what do you mean? that's the way we've been doing it in america for years, only we do it *before* you die.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 04:08 pm (UTC)

I think the problem here is that it is considered to be bad form when you announce a ten billion budget surplus a fortnight ago and then tell the OAPs and families of OAPs that you're going to sell their home/family place once they're dead and P.S. the 85% you get will presumably be *after* inheritance fees, solicitors fees and the estate agents take their slice.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 11:33 am (UTC)

Pat "We're committed to the Mullingar accord but the Irish people are entitled to a change of government and I'm committed to seeing change and I'm committed to seeing that someone else gets their turn in government because it's only fair that I get my turn and I'm committed and I will not lead the Labour Party into a coalition with FF unless the Irish People give me a mandate to go into a coalition because they should be committed and we've never had it so good sure wasn't Marx a great man altogether and what's this free market capitalism and progressive taxation all about anyway?" Rabbitte?

They're all a bunch of tossers... the lot of them.

I say we form a new party.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 11:41 am (UTC)


Listening to a "new" FG 'celebrity' candidate this morning (didn't catch his name)- another joke. Interviewer: "Why are you running for election?" Candidate (direct quote!): "Ah, sure why not." Interviewer: "And why are running on a FG ticket?" Candidate (direct quote!): "Ah, sure why not."


Yeah, I'm singularly unimpressed thus far with the FG/Labour "alternative government" - but I'll still be voting for them because FF/PD are absolutely corrupt (the former) and mad (the latter).

But I really wish we had a party list system rather than the parish pump politics we're stuck with.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 11:53 am (UTC)

As soon as FG/Labour stop simply attacking the negatives of the current government and stop trying to apeal to the "Get the darkies out, they're stealing our jobs, sure we should go back to the good oul' days of cuttin' your own peat and drinkin' pints and all these young hoodlums need is to be put in the army!" brigade, and actually start to come up with some sensible solutions to manage the country (because let's face it, you are not electing an idealism like Communism Vs Free Market capitalism or Liberalism Vs Fascism any more) then I'll consider voting for them.

But until they stop all the negative apealing to the lowest common denominator crap, they are only damaging themselves and their prospects.

People HATE whingers, people like positivity. Look at David Cameroon and the wonders he's doing with the conservatives in England (Mind you , Tony B. Liar isn't helping Labour's cause any)

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 03:48 pm (UTC)

Oh I don't know, look at how well being the squeaky wheel worked for the Democrats in the US.. sort of.... Okay, point taken.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 04:01 pm (UTC)

My Sh*tlist of leadership goes as follows (because really, what they get up to has absolutely f*ck all to do with the wishes of the general membership or what the voting public expected them to do when the vote was cast for that matter) (also - self censoring after finishing the post to bypass recently installed filters)

#1 FG for failing utterly at every possible opportunity to capitalise on the mistakes and shortcomings of FF. Furthermore I know that not a single measure, bill or law they've complained about will be repealed by them when they enter government themselves in 2032 after the asshole flu kills off the opposition. They're a failure as a party, a failure as an opposition and honest to god if RTE stopped paying attention to them tomorrow I doubt anyone would notice.
Enda Kenny in particular is a failure as a human being. I've seen carebears less f*cking insipid than that c*nt.

#2 The PDs for sacrificing their stated principles and continuing to stay in bed with a party that was wracked by scandal after scandal over the past ten years on an almost six monthly basis. They're foul little leprous babies suckling at the dry rotten teat of FF's success and the day they all their monstrous leaders burn to death is the day I literally bust a lung laughing. Under Harney and McDowell the health system and legal system have gone to hell, she's a worthless stain of a human being and I honestly hope she stepped down from tainiste because she's dying a slow death from cancer in a manner that will prevent her from ever feeling joy again. The pair of them blame the nurses and gardai for the problems when they should be so f*cking lucky to have a tenth of the decency and resolve that the vast majority of those people show every day in just doing their jobs compared to a pair of shitsacks who won a couple of popularity contests who think that somehow qualifies them to SPEAK on the topic, never mind in a disparaging manner.

#2.5 Sinn fein - for a bunch of murderous scumbags they have decent policies but they're just the ones they nicked from people with more decency. They're sort of like a vicious old dog that can't walk or control its bowels any more. You know it was a cold hearted f*ck a few years back but now you can't help but laugh at the toothless old wonder as it walks around p*ssing itself and trying to look like something to be reckoned with.

#3 FF - If they had half as much integrity and decency as they have financial acumen and ability to weasel out of trouble then we'd be a eutopian society but as it is the best thing you can say about them is that they're not a worthless shower of gimps lacking the basic charisma of a dishcloth and they're not (too) drenched in the blood of children.

#4 That someone in the party with the opportunity has not pushed Pat Rabbitte into a well and sealed it up is a severe failure in my eyes. Have him publicly executed for thinking he's funny and we'll talk.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 06:21 pm (UTC)

Sinn Fein..... Decent Policies????!! If you call vigilantism a decent solution to law & order issues then I guess so..

Have you ever actually seen their economic policies? They don't actually exist. Except in a very large padded cell. Oh sure they'll build several hundred schools and a couple of dozen hospitals but they'll set PAYE to 45% on the low rate and corporate gains taxes will be running around the 70% mark. Because extreme communism really works as we've seen in the past in such sterling examples as Cambodia and Stalinist Russia....

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 08:04 pm (UTC)

In my defence, I've never taken them seriously enough to get past the "We'll do this" bit, I've never reached the "By doing *this*" segment of their releases.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 01:58 pm (UTC)

If Rabbitte dies by rabbit, surely Harney must die by carney...

...a rollicking roustabout merrygoround operator could surrupticiosly slacken the wheels of the waltzers, sending Harney hurtling into the path of a runaway rollercoaster...

You don't *get* news items like that any more...

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 03:47 pm (UTC)

"You don't *get* news items like that any more..."

Someone obviously hasn't been reading the Sun lately :)

Actually, I think it was them had that awesome photoshopped cover of Harney with the old nosferatu complection, fangs and blooded mouth. I'm there looking at it like "Wow, tell us how you really feel lads..."

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 03:26 pm (UTC)

"...dunking her in a pool of leeches ..."

But aren't the PDs just a pool of leeches anyway? With the exception of Reichsfuhrer McDowall, who's a psychopathic megalomaniac.

Oh, and do you reckon that was Pat Rabbitte's "prepare for government" speech? Either way, may his future in politics be as long and successful as David Steele's...

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 03:44 pm (UTC)

Psychotic - yes, megalomaniac... I'm not sure. I mean on the surface yeah, he seems to want power and all that but if he REALLY wanted power he'd have jumped ship to FF so he could receive the reacharound rather than give it. So .. no I suspect the megalomania is just a cover for his real agenda of getting a terrifying clown in every classroom.

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 10:51 pm (UTC)

Many elderly people have made vast amounts of money on their homes at the expense of old people. They get pensions each week even though the liabilities were entirely unfunded when many of them started working. They get a huge and inefficient VHI subsidy from younger workers that may well drive out some of the cheaper competitors. They get light and heat and transport subsidies. And EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM should be in no way surprised at getting old. I don't know when I'll next be in a car accident or fire but I have a damn fine idea of when I'll turn 65. Being prepared is a moral and economic responsibility and far too many people just expect society to provide for them even when they could have done so themselves.

The State isn't about to seize poor old people's houses. It's going to take more off the estate after they're dead. The old folk won't lose a cent - their very fortunate children who're getting money for nothing will just get a lower amount. (I'm a PD but I fully support both inheritance tax and, believe it or not, residential property tax. And a carbon tax, and the plastic bag tax.)

And if equity release is somehow evil, how should we pay for the massive increase in care costs? Why should the taxpayer pay for it instead of the kids who stand to get a huge inheritance?

Tue, Dec. 12th, 2006 10:52 pm (UTC)

Er, that first sentence should have ended "...at the expense of young people"!

Wed, Dec. 13th, 2006 12:22 am (UTC)

And if equity release is somehow evil, how should we pay for the massive increase in care costs? Why should the taxpayer pay for it instead of the kids who stand to get a huge inheritance?

Social contract and massive budget surplus. Penalising the elderly for having the gall to have grown up before the price of everything increased beyond all estimation and having the absolute fucking nerve to have laid the foundations for the economy we now enjoy which has driven the costs out of control is morally bankrupt. Not that I expect more from that malignant whore, I'm surprised she didn't blame them for MRSA or some damned thing.

Wed, Dec. 13th, 2006 11:45 am (UTC)

Heaven forbid people should have to pay their own way!

I pay my taxes too - should I have to pay for doctor's visits, medicine, hospital bills, VHI, etc? If the state is going to look after me when I'm old, then feck paying my pension contribution every month, I'll just rely on the state.

People have a responsibility to provide for the future - they know damn well they're going to get old, that's why they have pensions, they should also prepare for the possibility they'll need medical care, be it in a nursing home, hospital, whatever. There are insurance policies for it, just like I have permanent health insurance, VHI and serious injury cover.

We're talking about asking people who have the financial means to pay for their care to pay for their care, thus leaving more money to assist people who don't have the financial means to pay. Yes, your home does count as a means to pay.

The alternative is to raise taxes on everyone, because it has to be paid for somehow. The country has a nice surplus now, but will there be a surplus in five years time? Ten years? We already spend 25% of the state's total income on health care, and another 33% on social welfare, despite having the lowest unemployment rates in 50 years. People who want better roads, health care, social welfare, education, etc, need to be prepared to pay for it directly out of their own pockets in the form of taxes.

Who paid for your eye treatments? Why should that change once you're over 65? Do you abdicate all responsibility once you retire? Should we be expected to plan ahead for our retirement or not?

Wed, Dec. 13th, 2006 12:31 pm (UTC)

Well hang on now, we're not talking about absolutely everyone getting a free ride here, this is about the state hitting the least fortunate people on the ladder - the ones who can't even afford the rudimentary homes offered by the state. Or are we assuming all of the future hypotheticals are moochers who never did a thing for their future? a future which, by the way is very very different to the society they grew up in where children would financially be able to care for their parents when they got older as opposed to both parties having to go out to work to keep up the mortgage payments. These people didn't have it nearly as easy as we do financially, applying the same standards (and I agree with you about planning for the future as applied to OUR generation) to them simply isn't fair. What would once have been enough of a nest egg for both husband and wife would be lucky now to cover one of them without anything going wrong with their health, never mind the poor sods who got screwed on pension schemes, redundancies and what have you.

Time was, paying your taxes WAS providing for your future but we've changed the rules there too.

Sure, there'll be some moochers - people who dossed all their life and now expect the state to pick up the tab but most of these people worked hard all their lives and now instead of the state fulfilling its side of the social contract they've decided that they have the right to sieze assets to pay the ridiculous fees for their crummy service.

Once the public health service is worth the cash pumped into it we'll talk but right now, twisting the knife into society's least fortunate is a bit sickening. How is this different from the public health service? or free legal representation (okay, not EVERYONE is going to need that but...).

As for myself - sure, I have VHI, I have a pension... in theory, actually I think the joker with a good chunk of it has absconded but thats another story but not everyone is so fortunate.

The disagreement is a fundamental argument - does everyone contribute equally or do we try to give the less fortunate a leg up or a free break now and then? I'm a "Do unto others" guy myself.