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Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006, 10:45 am

Thats right ye worthless wee prick, do your U turn - Prime Minister. The Associated Press reported yesterday that Prime Minister Bertie Ahern pledged to allow civil unions for homosexuals. This is about two or three months since he said Ireland wasn't ready the introduction of that particular basic human right.

I love it when they don't even have the basic respect to get the title right though, thats some tasty contempt.

Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006 11:01 am (UTC)

Um, was his comment a few months ago not along the lines of Ireland not being ready for gay marriage, as opposed to civil union?

Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006 11:24 am (UTC)

It was in direct response to the introduction of civil unions for homosexual couples in the UK and the calls for same here so I'd assume that regardless of the precise terms used, thats what he was talking about (though I'm fairly sure it was civil unions).

Semantics aside, civil unions *are* marriage as far as the state is/should be concerned. Whether the ceremony takes place in a church or an office is academic since the same paperwork has to be filled out at a governmental level. Its the church's decision to let gay ones happen in a chapel and the state's decision to let them happen in an office.

Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006 12:03 pm (UTC)

Ah, right... I'm thinking of a different Bill that he/McDowell were talking about, basically allowing people to do things like declaring 'X is the beneficiary of my pension/will' and so on. McDowell had said it would not only benefit gay couples but also the likes of siblings living together...

On the Taoiseach/Prime Minister thing... nitpicking? AP has a global, English-speaking audience. What's Silvio Berlusconi's official title? Kim Jong-Il's? Gaddafi's? :-P

Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006 12:11 pm (UTC)

I'd only nitpick in the sense that the same title means different things in different nations (our president and the US president being the most obvious example that springs to mind, senators being another. How do TDs compare to their nearest foreign equivalents?) Trust that if your readership gives two damns about the topic they'll understand "Taoiseach" or go and look it up and find out what it means and where that person stands in the political system.

Inaccurately labelling someone like that is (to me) contemptuous and ignorant and I for one am delighted they did it this time. I'm just sorry there wasn't a typo that turned "Prime Minister" into "Flatulent waste of stem cells".

Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006 11:25 am (UTC)

My theory is that the cabinet took a look at Ms Zappone and Mr Gilligan and realised they were screwed. Two women with the brains, legal knowledge, guts and (probably) financial means to take on the state: Bertie & co won't know what hit them.

And the media not bothering to use the proper titles just makes me want to strangle someone!

Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006 11:35 am (UTC)

Nah, I reckon they've got a scandal brewing and this'll be an easy bone to throw the media for a few weeks to act as a smokescreen. Bertie & Co are famously capable of ignoring problems and two lesbians aren't entirely newsworthy unless they're 20-25 with model physiques and a tendency towards exhibitionism. Naked exhibitionism.

Most of the time I'd agree with you on the media thing but I think its just gloriously indicative of the regard our country and leaders are held in internationally.

Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006 12:42 pm (UTC)

You're probably right. I have obviously not yet attained the proper level of cynicism to cope with this government. I'm working on it, though. :)

Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006 07:51 pm (UTC)

I wish people wouldn't complain about "U-turns". Changing your mind isn't a fundamentally bad thing! The fact that the media and public so often use the ridiculous "u-turn" criticism is one of the reasons why sometimes politicans seem to doggedly stick to a policy long after they should have changed their (publicly stated) opinion.

Criticise the original opinion or the new opinion. Don't criticise someone simply for changing his opinion.

Tue, Apr. 4th, 2006 09:45 pm (UTC)

Not all U turns are bad, making one after discovering new information about a topic is fine. Making one after you were lambasted for being a bigoted fuck is an entirely different matter. Making one because it turns out the country has different principles to the ones you thought/hoped it had is contemptible.