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Wed, Nov. 3rd, 2004, 12:00 pm
Judge not

Before we jump to too many conclusions about the IQ of bush supporters, bear in mind that not everyone has the advantages people like us have. Many of them don't have web access or the opportunity or time to delve into finding the other side of the story and simply trust that their government does not lie to them on a regular basis about issues that affect them so deeply.

Also, if any of you americans looking to dodge the draft should Bush get elected: iresprite is currently being offered first dibs on the inflatable mattress but theres a sofa and some floor space still going here.

Wed, Nov. 3rd, 2004 04:12 am (UTC)
socmot

The opportunity or the time? I disbelieve that. Some wouldn't have the resources, but I believe a very great majority of people who voted for Bush knew just what they were doing yesterday.

Wed, Nov. 3rd, 2004 04:33 am (UTC)
mr_wombat

Even the ones who knew the score and still voted for bush were being selfish (IMO) more than wilfully stupid. Ignorance is a permissable excuse sometimes too.
I just can't help but feel that the number of roadside conversions we've been hearing about is a strong indicator that the message CAN get through but it won't happen through big ads in the paper or web dissertations that they never get to read.

Wed, Nov. 3rd, 2004 08:54 am (UTC)
trjh

Right. I had a vote, and I voted for Kerry.

However, this post kinda irks me. You seem to be judging (like a lot of the Irish folk I've heard, including Pat Kenny) that either one has a low IQ or is 'uninformed' if they vote for Bush. There are a lot of bright, knowledgeable, people who voted for Bush. Some of them may be rich & money-grubbing, but some of them probably honestly believe that he's making the right decisions, or at least better ones than Kerry would make, with regard to foreign and domestic policy.

I don't agree with those people, but I'm not going to assume that everyone as bright and knowledgeable as I am is going to think the same way I do.

I also think talk of the draft is largely baseless rumor. However, I'm not making any €50 bets on it.

I'm quite disappointed that Kerry lost. I'm not seeing this as a sign of certain doom, however.

Wed, Nov. 3rd, 2004 09:25 am (UTC)
mr_wombat

Oh I'll grant you that plenty of folks out there voted for Bush for the best (or alternatively most selfish, either is a perfectly valid reason for voting for him IMO) of reasons. Any accusations I make about the uninformed state of a lot of voters stems from the number of people who apparantly still believe that Iraq attacked america, that they had any involvement in 9/11, that they had any connections with AQ, that they had an active weapons program capable of an offensive action on America in a matter of an hour's notice even after the (alternative) media had been trumpeting the failures of America's military intelligence on all of the above topics.

Then you have opinions that are on dodgy ground like Bush's basic honesty when he is industriously supressing the CIA's own report on 9/11 or the way he fought the investigations tooth and nail before refusing to take an oath before "testifying" at the investigating. Then there's Halliburton and their bids for Iraqi reconstruction, his pals in Enron and that whole scandal, his 180 degree spin on the American steel industry that he promised to protect. His attitude towards Osama is frankly disgraceful and how he could call Kerry a flip flopper after his "Wanted dead or alive" to "Osama? not much of a worry" to "Who said Osama wasn't a major concern of mine?" thing is beyond me.

How folks could vote for a man with that record boggles the mind, the only assumption I can make is that they simply don't know the truths of the matters [1] because the alternative is terrifying.

How Cheney wasn't a 200Lb lead weight dragging him down I do not know either, I wouldn't SELL him a used car, much less buy one from him.

[1] Though I will grant you, some of those issues are still a little foggy.