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Thu, Jan. 16th, 2003, 11:56 am
So...

An iranian teenager has been sentenced to death for the mastermindedishly brilliant crime of drinking alcohol. Feelings are running high amongst the civil liberties groups of course but I have one question to ask:

What the hell is your problem? it may be a harsh law, it may even be disproportionate to the crime (by our standards anyway) but it's not like it was sprung on him. I mean, perhaps there'd be a case if the iranian government decided at 9AM that drinking was a naughty and hauled him out of one of the many pubs scattered around the city but no, it would seem that he chose to ignore the "drink and we kill you" rule that had existed for many years.

Ah well.. the contradictions of being left wing authoritarian

Oh, it seems that the Director for public prosecution has received many, many complainst and accusations of treason against Bertie Ahern.

Thu, Jan. 16th, 2003 06:01 am (UTC)
iresprite

What the hell is your problem? it may be a harsh law, it may even be disproportionate to the crime (by our standards anyway) but it's not like it was sprung on him.

I think that, if I were to pick a problem with this, it's that the bottom line is that taking a life in exchange for any kind of trespass is wrong. It only increases the wrongness when you start adding in the details of how light a trespass it was.

Just because he knew what the possible consequences were doesn't make him deserve the penalty more, in my humble opinion.

Thu, Jan. 16th, 2003 06:53 am (UTC)
mr_wombat

Well, like I said, it's harsh and disproportionate but it isn't our place to sit in judgement over other legal systems or cultural idiosyncracies. Truth, being subjective probably means that they could easily view us as being alcohol fueled satans whose women are allowed to dress in the clothes of harlots.

I'm not allowed to stone women to death for having an affair, regardless of whether or not it's legal and accepted in other countries, there is no defence for me were I to go ahead and do it. I'm not suggesting that he deserves to die (regardless of how old testament I may be at times) but he committed a relatively henious crime in full knowledge of the consequences. Bottom line, I don't support the death penalty as a punishment as such but just because YOU (you the western man, or drunkian iranian) don't think the punishment doesn't fit the crime doesn't mean that you shouldn't receive the punishment when your guilt is discovered.

Change the rules, but don't break them.

Thu, Jan. 16th, 2003 07:06 am (UTC)
iresprite

You're right; they can do what they want, since it is their system. I don't have a problem saying they are wrong in the way that they mete out justice, though.

Not that I think American society has it right, mind you. I'm somewhat anti-harlotry myself, despite what my raging male hormones might have to say about the matter. And sure, we can turn it into a subjective debate. You would get along swell with my father in your line of argument, I think. *grins* Still, I believe in an objective right or wrong. Governments have their authority- I can still point at their policies and laws and say, "um, some of those are just Wrong."

So did the guy have it coming? Yeah, in the practical sense. Doesn't mean I laud the government for their decision.

Thu, Jan. 16th, 2003 09:10 am (UTC)
mr_wombat

It's amazing how people can agree for completly different reasons :)

And as for anti-harlotry... gawd... dublin city center outside supermacs on a saturday night.. skank city :)

Thu, Jan. 16th, 2003 10:49 am (UTC)
iresprite

It's amazing how people can agree for completly different reasons :)

It is. Especially when having different reasons is enough to tear the throat out of anyone who doesn't share one's viewpionts, in some circles.

I don't recall anything terribly skanky going on outside Supermac's... but then, you and the rabbit probably escorted me safely so that my poor weak mind wouldn't be broken.

Or something.

Do you know how much I miss curry and chips? No one does that around here! Someone suggested looking in South Boston, but I highly doubt anyone continues the practice. We just don't have chippers like you do.

But then, we have buffalo wings. I can't wait to knock the top of your head off with our food.